Do you believe this?

[plantsman]

Don't know about evolution per se, but I do know there is tremendous genetic variability in all species.

[CoeburnCane]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boney</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't know about evolution per se, but I do know there is tremendous genetic variability in all species.</div></div>

Exactly. How else could one explain the population of the state of West Virginia? [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img]

[plantsman]

lol! That made my morning!

[imported_ut1]

It takes more faith to believe in evolution, per se, than it does to believe in an intelligent being (God) creating it all.
Evolution is presented as theory, while the Bible has proclaimed throughout the centuries that God is the Creator.

[imported_MoonlightGraham]

Assuming you do believe in Evolution, what form do you favor? punctuated equilibrium or gradualism.

I think its hard not to accept the fact that some sort of evolution has occured. We as humans evolve everyday.

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.

[NotSoSilentBob]

A day is a day. On this planet, 24 hours (or just a little more or less).

[imported_ut1]

I do not believe in "the evolution theory". I do believe that we "evolve", that is we change, but that is called "aging and maturing". However, as far as I know, we still have one heart, two lungs, etc., just like Adam did. We're not capable of sprouting wings or gills, no matter how much time we spend in the air or in the water. We are exactly as God intended us to be. I have no explanation of dinosaurs and the "Six Days of Creation", but I believe in both of them. I believe that God can do whatever He pleases in whatever time frame He pleases. As someone else said, I'll don't know it all, but I will one day. Right now I'll just have to be content with being a know-it-all. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]

[Gotch]

Evolution: Let's break it down first.

Micro evolution: This is a term that the creationist movement coined but it is valid. It describes what many on this thread are talking about, mutation. Adapting to ones environment, changes within a species to better suit a changing situation. This is a proven fact, it exists. It is not evolution. It is mutation. Mutation does not equate to species to species evolution.

Macro evolution: This is what is necessary for the Darwin theory the be correct. At some point the number of mutations create a new species. This is actual evolution as described in Darwin's work. This has not been proven and no real or indisputable evidence for it can be shown. In fact although a large percentage of scientists are firm believers in evolution (of course) the one field of science from which questions often arise is the science of genetics. DNA experts (many of them) simply deny that species to species evolution is possible according to our current knowledge of DNA.

The evolutionary movement often ridicules creationist teachings but it is the evolutionists who have been caught red-handed on numerous occasions playing fast and loose with facts and evidence.

The entire recapitulation theory is a prime example.

Do any of you remember being taught that the human fetus goes through the various stages of evolution? It has gills, it has a tail, etc.? Did you know that this entire theory was disproven in the 1920'2 by the science of embryology? The 1920's!!!

Yet it was taught as fact in our schools simply because it was a good teaching tool for the evolutionist movement. So teaching something that is proven false is cool as long as it fits your needs? And for 60+ years?!?!?!

This is just one example of outright fraud taught as fact to further a cause. There have actually been numerous examples like this. Monkey skulls being passed off as human evolutionary intermediaries. Moths pinned to trees by Darwin himself and then their being there used as evidence of evolution. Etc., etc.

It takes just as much faith to believe in evolution as it does to believe in intelligent creation.

[imported_MoonlightGraham]

How could macro evolution not have been proven? Look at giraffes. Only the best adapted, are going to survive to a changing environment. Some environments might favor a tall animal so they can get leaves from a tall tree, others might favor a smaller quicker animal to hide from predators. If the 1st scenario is the case, your gonna have taller animals because only the tall ones will live to reproduce. if the other is the case then the smaller, quicker animals will reproduce, and there offspring will be similar to them.

[imported_GC1]

I don't think anyone here can or will even attempt to deny Micro evolution. You can see it occur even when you breed two dufferent kinds of dogs (peekapoo for example) etc. Or as you say in adaptation of a species to it's environment.

But to believe in Macro evolution you have to have more faith than to believe in a God who spoke and created all things ex nihilo.

To carry a belief in Macro you have to believe in a god many call "chance" that caused a "big bang" and then out of this big bang came planets and stars. These planets were by chance spherical in shape, then by chance a rock becomes a living organism that evolves into higher life forms, by chance some of them decide thay need legs, eyes, ears, wings, etc. So over countless millions of years chance causes these processes to occur.

By chance the eye develops over eons, yet until an eye is 100% formed it is useless, but this poor critter still insists it needs the eye even though for millions of years it is still blind and then FINALLY by chance the eye is fully formed and the persistant creature is able to see.

Or a birds wings. This critter feels the need for some wings to fly and over millions of years runs around on spindly legs, all the while evading larger, faster creatures who should easily eat them and put them to extinction, yet by chance they eventually get a fully formed set of wings and now, instead of having to outrun all these bigger, faster ones on those spindly pencil legs they can now have the ability to simply fly away.

It's just much more simple and logical to believe in an Almighy God, who, in His great power and genius spoke by His own authority and created all that there is.


Psa 2:1 Why do the nations conspire

and the peoples plot in vain?

Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth take their stand

and the rulers gather together

against the Lord

and against his Anointed One.

Psa 2:3 "Let us break their chains,"? they say,

"and throw off their fetters."?



Psa 2:4 The One enthroned in heaven laughs;

the Lord scoffs at them.

Psa 2:5 Then he rebukes them in his anger

and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,

Psa 2:6 "I have installed my King

on Zion, my holy hill."

Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jhn 1:2 He was with God in the beginning.

Jhn 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.